Why Is Everyone Unhappy With JavaScript? | State of Javascript 2024 Survey

What is HTML All The Things? HTML All The Things is a web development podcast and discord community which was started by Matt and Mike, developers based in Ontario, Canada. The podcast speaks to web development topics as well as running a small business, self-employment and time management. You can join them for both their successes and their struggles as they try to manage expanding their Web Development business without stretching themselves too thin. Episode Sponsor - Magic Mind & Wix Studio Thanks to Magic Mind and Wix Studio for their support! Magic Mind Bundle - Up to 45% Off!!! Get up to 45% off with our link - https://magicmind.com/htmlpodbjan Wix Studio: The Web Platform for Agencies and Enterprises Wix Studio is the new web platform tailored to designers, developers and marketers who build websites for others or for large organizations. The magic of Wix Studio is its advanced design capabilities which makes website creation efficient and intuitive. Check out Wix Studio today. How to support the show Patreon Prices subject to change and are listed in USD Support the show from as little as ~$1/month Get a shoutout at the end of the episode (while supplies last) for just ~$3/month Help support the HTML All The Things Podcast: Click Here What's This One About? Matt and Mike dive deep into the results of the State of JavaScript 2024 survey. The discussion covers various topics such as declining happiness with JavaScript frameworks, the rise of the Astro framework, and the increasing shift towards TypeScript. Additional discussions include the use of AI for code generation and some new JavaScript features that developers are excited about. The guys also discussed the complexities and evolving nature of web development, and whether the modern JavaScript learning curve is sustainable for aspiring junior developers. Show Notes Introduction: State of JavaScript is a yearly survey that is considered fairly accurate to the sentiment and usage of the JavaScript ecosystem This year 14,015 people took the survey Some really interesting findings came out this year JavaScript frameworks are almost all slightly declining in general happiness using them (especially meta frameworks) The JavaScript language as a whole is declining/stagement in sentiment Astro is the meta-framework to beat? Everyone is crazy about nullish coalescing Everyone wants static typing built into JavaScript Typescript is dominant People are either not using or lying about AI Declining happiness Mostly statement on js as a whole but some frameworks/libs saw a decrease in interest and happiness People aren't happy with code architecture, state management, dependencies, build tools https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#top_js_pain_points Meta-frameworks have some weird trends https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_ratios Why is that? Astro Astro has the highest increase in positivity Highest retention score (with SvelteKit coming up second) Highest increase in interest It's used at work number jumped up over SvelteKit this year https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_work JS features https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/features/#syntax_features TypeScript https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#js_ts_balance AI https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#ai_generated_code_balance https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/other-tools/#ai_tools State of JS 2024 Survey ‍https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/ Timestamps Timestamps are machine generated - there may be some errors. 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 01:26 Diving into the JavaScript Survey 02:50 JavaScript Community Sentiment 03:45 Frameworks and Libraries: Trends and Insights 05:48 The Role of Creators vs. Developers 16:41 Meta Frameworks: Usage and Positivity 45:15 Astro: The Rising Star 46:44 Exploring Astro's Unique Approach 47:26 Astro's Simplicity and Flexibility 47:48 Astro vs. Other Frameworks 48:23 Astro's Future and Transitionary Nature 49:46 Astro's Open and Opinionated Nature 51:16 Astro's Server-First Architecture 52:16 Learning Path for New Developers 57:46 Complexity in Modern Web Development 01:04:47 JavaScript Features: Nullish Coalescing 01:09:21 TypeScript's Growing Dominance 01:12:44 AI in Code Generation 01:25:55 Concluding Thoughts and Survey Insights

Jan 15, 2025 - 19:58

Why Is Everyone Unhappy With JavaScript? | State of Javascript 2024 Survey

What is HTML All The Things?

HTML All The Things is a web development podcast and discord community which was started by Matt and Mike, developers based in Ontario, Canada.

The podcast speaks to web development topics as well as running a small business, self-employment and time management. You can join them for both their successes and their struggles as they try to manage expanding their Web Development business without stretching themselves too thin.

Episode Sponsor - Magic Mind & Wix Studio

Thanks to Magic Mind and Wix Studio for their support!

Magic Mind Bundle - Up to 45% Off!!!

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Wix Studio: The Web Platform for Agencies and Enterprises

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Support the show from as little as ~$1/month
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What's This One About?

Matt and Mike dive deep into the results of the State of JavaScript 2024 survey. The discussion covers various topics such as declining happiness with JavaScript frameworks, the rise of the Astro framework, and the increasing shift towards TypeScript. Additional discussions include the use of AI for code generation and some new JavaScript features that developers are excited about. The guys also discussed the complexities and evolving nature of web development, and whether the modern JavaScript learning curve is sustainable for aspiring junior developers.

Show Notes

Introduction:

State of JavaScript is a yearly survey that is considered fairly accurate to the sentiment and usage of the JavaScript ecosystem
This year 14,015 people took the survey
Some really interesting findings came out this year
- JavaScript frameworks are almost all slightly declining in general happiness using them (especially meta frameworks)
- The JavaScript language as a whole is declining/stagement in sentiment
- Astro is the meta-framework to beat?
- Everyone is crazy about nullish coalescing
- Everyone wants static typing built into JavaScript
- Typescript is dominant
- People are either not using or lying about AI

Declining happiness

Mostly statement on js as a whole but some frameworks/libs saw a decrease in interest and happiness
People aren't happy with code architecture, state management, dependencies, build tools
- https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#top_js_pain_points
Meta-frameworks have some weird trends
- https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_ratios
- Why is that?

Astro

Astro has the highest increase in positivity
Highest retention score (with SvelteKit coming up second)
Highest increase in interest
It's used at work number jumped up over SvelteKit this year
- https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_work